[abc123]

Paul Scott is running for Michigan Secretary of State, where he plans to prohibt changes to gender markers in IDs.

“It’s a social values issue. If you are born a male, you should be known as a male. Same as with a female, she should be known as a female,”

Check this loser's full story out here.

[josshouse]

Wow. You've gotta have balls to be that ignorant these days. How do these assholes manage to not get offed?

[abc123]

I guess trans peoples in MI are a big no no for conservos. It's funny how the guy things that by banning changes to the M/F markers he will avoid trans women from entering the proper bathrooms.

[josshouse]

As if it wouldn't cause some huge uproar for her to enter the men's room, right? Yeah, that's not going to induce violence or anything.

Such short sightedness.

[abc123]

The guy just wants tranny bj's in his bathroom.

[-Rho-]

My imagined quote from him:


"I need help to make sure that some random 19-year-old sophomore doesn't go to the bar and pick up a hot young co-ed and take her home very drunk and then the next day have all his frat buddies tell him how they saw her peeing standing up and never stopped making fun of him for the next three years of college! They ruined my--er, his life!"

[Tigersoul]

josshouse said:

As if it wouldn't cause some huge uproar for her to enter the men's room, right? Yeah, that's not going to induce violence or anything.
Such short sightedness.

It might not be short-sightedness as much as a more severe transgression. If you force these people to be obvious about their anatomical gender, then it WILL start fights and people WILL die - TG people. IT might be more of a "clensing" like hitler and the jews.....

dont get me wrong, I'd like to think he's just an idiot, but I find it suspicious when people do things that are so blantantly obvious to cause violence...

[abc123]

Meh, I say screw him, even if he blocks changing IDs there is no way I'm going into the guy's bathroom, what are they gonna do card me?

[Tigersoul]

rkyb00 said:

Meh, I say screw him, even if he blocks changing IDs there is no way I'm going into the guy's bathroom, what are they gonna do card me?

lol! Dont give them ideas! (remember in some palces you must PAY to use the restroom X( so....)

[abc123]

Can't wait to be carded and charged to go to the men's room, good thing i'm not tiny and helpless, and I don't dress super girly lol

[cortana]

Hmm, personally I think that the elephant in the room that needs to be addressed is religion. Think about it, what other motivation could it be? Where else would one get a hatred against such a very particular group?

[abc123]

I think it goes beyond purely religious reasons. Transgender issues boggle the mind of those not initiated in them regardless of their religious background. I wouldn't be that surprised at an atheist freaking out too, but since there are more religious people, they make up the bulk of the offenders. In this case we are talking of a Republican so we know religion is involved, because that is their support base.

[hazumu]

rkyb00 said:

Meh, I say screw him, even if he blocks changing IDs there is no way I'm going into the guy's bathroom, what are they gonna do card me?

do be careful about that, if they feel it is an issue and your id does say male it can lead to trouble. there is a matter of tact involved with it more than anything. if done right nobody questions it. :)

[cortana]

rkyb00 said:

I think it goes beyond purely religious reasons. Transgender issues boggle the mind of those not initiated in them regardless of their religious background. I wouldn't be that surprised at an atheist freaking out too, but since there are more religious people, they make up the bulk of the offenders. In this case we are talking of a Republican so we know religion is involved, because that is their support base.

True, true I would agree TG issues tend to be universal mind boggles. The point I was trying to make is that the only justification to take actions against the TG lifestyle is a religious one. I could see an atheist personally freaking out about the TG lifestyle, but what justification would said atheist have to take action against it? Certainly not the systematic one of religion.

In order to take actions one must internally justify them to oneself. I am saying that the only major justification to take action against LGBT people that simply want to live with equal rights is religion.

[abc123]

You can justify yourself by saying that what you get is what you get; they could use biology and the like.

[cortana]

@rkyb00
Hmm.. How to explain...

One most certainly can justify oneself by saying you get what you get and I am what I am. Fair enough. What I am trying to say is that the justification for modern day denial of LGBT equality must stem from somewhere.

If one was to say it stems from biology, I would ask why are you looking in biology? Biology like the rest of the sciences consists of cold hard facts. While one can use a cold hard fact to one's advantage one still decides to use cold hard facts in the first place. Where could this initial decision to look come from?

On our case it may be that we have an innate feeling of gender, we appeal to facts to make our case.

I would argue that in the case of most deniers of LGBT equity it is religion. Through their religious motivation they also appeal to facts to make their case. The point being, the reason why they make their case is due to their religious convictions in the first place.

Does that make sense to you?

[abc123]

Yes, I know what you are saying is right to a large degree, but I say that if there was no religion people would find something else to go on. Science is not as concrete as it seems, lots of contradicting studies exist about many things. I'm not trying to defend religion I just wanted to say that I'm sure the prejudice comes from deeper seeing how religion never really goes into too much depth on it and there are dozens of other religious guidelines that are not followed. Religion reflects the values of the majority of members; they conveniently take in and out as they see fit.

[cortana]

@rkyb00

Fair enough, fair enough, I'm just trying to point out that religion does happen to be the factor that is now most impeding LGBT equality.

I'd also like to point out that if people did find other things to "go on" at least it wouldn't involve eternal torture and salvation. Take those factors out and much reasonable conversation can pursue. Think about it if your your eternal salvation or eternal torture depends on how you think about something how likely is it going to be that you'll be subject to reasonable conversation?

My two cents

[abc123]

Thanks! I like money :3

[Kazumi]

I get the heebie jeebies when anyone uses the "social values" card.


Social values according to whom? Those in power? Tyrannies of the majority? Social values defined by the masses? Someone very intelligent once cautioned against putting the rights of the few in the hands of the many.

There is absolutely zero legal precedent or social benefit to not allowing gender changes to government issued ID. Which leads to the question, "for what purpose do we wish to put the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of these individuals on the line?"

Paul Scott should be doubly ashamed of himself, not only for sounding like a complete ignoramus when it comes to constitutional law but also because of his religious double standard. Religions at their core preach tolerance, not bigotry.

The more I hear about assholes like that, the more it makes me want to get back into politics.


Edit: Oh, and as one of the few African-American politicians in MI, I wonder how he would really feel about Equality under Law being repealed in his state when he has to use 'the colored water fountain'.

Dumbass.